Third party HRV app

Hi there, a new user who’s discovered this amazing coaching app.

I am still in the process of learning all the features that Athletica gathers together, so sorry in advance if my question isn’t relevant or doesn’t go here.

I own a Garmin FR245 which has done a great job these past 5 years. Unfortunately it doesn’t have the option to measure HRV which, as I have understood from my initial readings, is used by Athletica to ascertain fatigue and dose training accordingly.

I have measured my HRV using a chest strap (Garmin too) using Elite HRV.

Now my question is, is there a way to either integrate the readings from Elite HRV into Athletica or log them manually? somehow?

If not, that’d be a massive addition in future versions.

Cheers!

Hi @Campu ,
Welcome. I would have suggested using our connection to intervals.icu, however it isn’t straightforward. Unlikely we would integrate with EliteHRV directly in current state although we may consider implementing their tech into our existing mobile app. The field is moving so fast so not sure and we need to apply resources strategically and intelligently from the business standpoint.

​Integrating Elite HRV data into Intervals.icu is not currently supported through direct integration. Attempts to establish such integration have faced challenges due to legal and technical complexities. For instance, discussions in the Intervals.icu forum indicate that Elite HRV’s integration requires cooperation between both parties, which has been difficult to achieve. ​Intervals.icu Forum+3Intervals.icu Forum+3Intervals.icu Forum+3

However, users have explored alternative methods to import Elite HRV data into Intervals.icu:​

  1. Manual Entry: You can manually input HRV readings into Intervals.icu. This approach allows you to track your HRV data alongside your training metrics, though it requires daily effort. ​Intervals.icu Forum+2Intervals.icu Forum+2Intervals.icu Forum+2
  2. Third-Party Tools: Some users have developed tools to facilitate data transfer. For example, a community member created a .NET CLI tool to import Elite HRV data into Intervals.icu, though it requires an Elite HRV Pro subscription. ​Intervals.icu Forum
  3. Indirect Sync via Health Platforms: On iOS devices, integrating Elite HRV with Apple Health and then syncing Apple Health data to Intervals.icu through apps like HealthFit has been reported as a potential method. However, it’s important to note that Apple Health primarily records SDNN values, while Intervals.icu uses rMSSD for HRV analysis, which may affect data accuracy. ​Intervals.icu Forum+5Intervals.icu Forum+5Intervals.icu Forum+5

Given these limitations, some users have opted for alternative HRV tracking apps like HRV4Training, which offer more straightforward integration with Intervals.icu. ​Intervals.icu Forum+8Intervals.icu Forum+8Intervals.icu Forum+8

In summary, while direct integration between Elite HRV and Intervals.icu is not available, manual entry or the use of third-party tools and indirect syncing methods can be employed to incorporate your HRV data into Intervals.icu.

Hi @Prof thanks for the feedback.
I did not know intervals.icu since it’s not a platform that is commonly used in my area. I will definitely have a look at it.

HRV is just another parameter to take into account. My concern was to use HRV trends to avoid overtraining as it has happened to me in the past.

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I’ll just throw hrv4training in the basket here as well. Marco Altini, PhD in computer science and MA in physiology IIRC, is behind this, ultra runner himself, and he has a stringent and empirically based approach to HRV. Most notably, he claims that HRV should be measured once in the morning, not throughout the night. My Garmin watch does the latter and this is what syncs to whatever other services I have running. I measure with the hrv4training app every morning, but haven’t looked into match or mistmatch between the data from the two sources. AFAIK, hrv4training doesn’t integrate with anything. Yet.

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Marco is a friend and colleague and we were the first to validate his technology in our laboratory. You should now be able to sync your HRV4Training data through our new intervals.icu connection. Our AI-coach analysis follows his recommendations to a T.

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Also fyi @halvor, Marco states:

I have often argued that provided you know what you are doing, morning and night measurements are equivalent in the long run .

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Well, I clearly haven’t done my due diligence :face_with_peeking_eye: Sorry, @Prof ! But more on topic: that is great!

As for

Yes, I remember the point being consistency more than morning, specifically. My point was more a one-off test per day as opposed to continuous through the night.

Great with the intervals.icu integration. And I possibly do sync HRV to intervals, but that must be indirectly? Cf integrations available through the hrv4training app:

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I think you have to link to dropbox and then have a folder that imports the file to Intervals directly…@phil knows how to do it..he explained in the Intervals post. I haven’t figure it out yet myself…

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Halvor, i used to track with HRV4training for years. I noticed HRV4Training always measured morning HRV RMSSD a bit higher than my Garmin overnight average but they both seemed to track trends similar, so I stopped takin HRV in the morning. Now, take it with a grain of salt as I have not run any statistics to prove what I just said; but it is my interpretation after months of tracking both simultaneously.

Marka

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Yes, setup HRV4Training to export to a Dropbox folder. After each reading (or as frequently as you want) use the data → export option. In intervals.icu link it to the same Dropbox folder.

@halvor , you might want to see if this app will work: https://healthsync.app/

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Hi all,
Alan couzins had a way to optimise your training through the hrv4training (including subjective markers) and Garmin metrics in his ‘The science of maximal athletic development’ series. From using the data you could narrow down to see which was most indicative of your current fatigue and performance potential.
Might be something that the AI could run against your profile to prescribe more tailored training to the individual.
It was an interesting exercise in the least.

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