Potential new user here and have a few questions.
1 How essential is overnight/ morning HRV data to getting the most out of Athletics?
2. Does Athletica populate itself with past data in order to getting a starting position. I understand that Garmin data is preferred but in my case my Garmin data is a mixture of incomplete and duplicated IE a mess. My Strava data however is clean. Can you start of with Strava then switch to Garmin?
3. Which workout players are easiest to use with Athletics?
Thanks
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Hi @Carytb,
Welcome. Please note that we have a peer-reviewed paper, blog post, broadcast, and podcast on this topic that should emerge in the next two or three weeks. Keep an eye out.
- Not essential but it will become very helpful in coming months.
- Yes it does. Yes that is a good way to go about it.
- Garmin Connect.
Best,
Paul
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@Prof For what itās worth, if HRV is being added to the system, Iād love to see an integration with Whoop.
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More coming in this space throughout the week, but to begin, here is the published work by @Andrea and colleagues that show the backend working system in Athletica being developed. Sports Science 3.0 Series <> AI-Assisted HRV Monitoring: Enhancing Training Load Response and Decision-Making ā Sport Performance & Science Reports
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Hey all, we are talking about HRV in the Athleteās Compass Podcast and would love to know your questions!!! Please comment here or use the form if you have specific HRV/RHR related questions!
Best, MJ, Paul, The Prof
Hi! I have a Garmin 945 a donāt really want to upgrade quite yet. Is there a work around to incorporate daily hrv from the 3 minute reading rather than the overnight in athletica? Thanks!
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Hey @wilcoxa35 
Garmin 945 doesnāt have overnight HRV? bummer!
Thatās a great question, and perhaps something @Andrea can answerā¦ ?
Ayn, are you using HRV4Training or other app - perhaps we could implement a simple āInsert your HRV reading hereā function in the future, @Prof
MJ
Is there any integration with HRV4Training planned? I use an Oura ring, since I canāt bear to wear a watch overnight, and I have HRV4Training synced with Training Peaks and Intervals.icu, but it would be nice to have everything in one place.
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We agree @BevOutside ā¦ unfortunately Marco isnāt keen on doing further integrations at this point. Possibly Oura or Whoop at a later date.
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For intervals.icu, HRV4Training data are imported from the HRV4Training data file saved to Dropbox - thereās no real integration there.
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Thanks for the quick reply MJ! I am doing the HRV 3 minute ātestā on my 945, which shows a point in time hrv. I am not using any 3rd party apps to trend over time.
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How about a manual entry option of HRV taken from HRV4 Training into Athletica (similar to when you do a manual entry of your training when you donāt have the Garmin/Strava file)ā¦ just a thought!
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@Prof @Marjaana
About youā¦
Sono in Taper,nutrizione sonno ok, un poā di stress a lavoroā¦
Overnight HRV LOW
Morning Okā¦what means?
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Ughā¦that stinks. Thereās also EliteHRV but those are the only two options I know of that do the morning thing which I think is better than the overnight averages (ironically, convinced by Marcoās writing on this topic).
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Hey,
Iāve tracked my HRV4Training for a good while (although not run any stats so this is based only on my observation):
HRV4Training morning measurement usually gave me 15-20 points higher rMSSD than Garmin overnight, BUT the changes that both detected, were similar. So in absolute terms, yes, they were a bit lower in Garmin, but both trends up or down, were detected by both. I decided, for me in my life situation, I am ok with what Garmin is delivering. After tracking with HRV4Training since 2016 - I was ready to move on from morning measurements.
Marcoās substack is excellent! Keep reading and learning!
MJ
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@Giuseppe85 Looks like your HRV4Training is showing stable HRV and HR trend. Pair each mornings advice with your own FEEL and knowledge what did get done the last couple of days. I wrote note below about comparing data from Garmin overnight to HRV4Training. Garmin shows lower overnight, but detects same trends.
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Yeah, if I still had my Garmin I would probably be doing the same. I have Bevel with the Apple Watch which attempts to mimic that functionality, but even with Afib turned on, there are not nearly as many readings during the evening. I donāt think the differences between morning and overnight are necessarily meaningful, though I do buy into the idea that morning may give a better idea of how recovered you are upon waking, i.e., there may be times youāve shed stress overnight that is not picked up with the overnight reading.
More broadly, my sense is thereās a lot of reading more into the data than is really there, e.g., Welltory. I like the idea of using HRV as a binary metric, either proceed as planned, or rest. I donāt know that I buy into the idea that you can prescribe workload based on overnight HRV, and I tend to watch resting heart rate as much or more as I find it to be just as valuable.
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I would tend to agree with you there. Personally Iāve been on a fairly long discovery into my own feeling where I completely disregarded HRV readings and followed the plan stubbornly. Honestly, why did I even take the measurement if I wasnāt going to follow any advice?! Needless to say pushing forward regardless of how trashed I felt OR giving HRV any though even though I saw a steep decline from mid- 8.5 to low 6s, lead to overtraining.
MJ 2.0 came out a little more in-tune with the whole body, gut &mind are connected theory and now I understand that even though my HRV is sometimes tank, it doesnāt mean I canāt perform on the day, but if the low HRV reflects extra stress and Iām not feeling too hot, THEN I need to adjust daily plan and cut intensity. Now that Iām a little smarter with looking at the whole picture, it is pretty cool how overnight HRV can detect a week of single parenting and tanking my HRV. What do I do ? Train maybe a little less or less intensive at least, and focus on getting my beauty sleep and ice baths to bring my nervous system back to ārest & digestā mode.
Long rant but I do agree not to blindly go by HRV either. OR thatās what I read from your note.
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Yes, this is the part that I missed for a long time too! Life stress - a bad night with the family or concerns about something I need to do the next day - these things will lower HRV but I donāt know that they mean I shouldnāt āproceed as plannedā with my workout. Sometimes that workout is a way of relieving that life stress.
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At the moment Iām on the fence about overnight or morning HRV measurements. Iāve been using HRV4Training for several years, so I have a considerable body of data there. Iād say that itās pretty consistent with āfeelā - I measure it within a few minutes of waking and coming downstairs in the morning. I also analyse this with a MatLab script (ImReady4) I picked up from intervals.icu which does a statistical analysis of HRV and rHR and recommends Rest, LIT, Planned or HIT). Thatās also quite interesting, but seems to me to be a day out of whack sometimes.
When I started with athletica.ai, I started using a Garmin watch which collects night-time HRV data. Thatās been OK, but it does suffer from occasional very poor sleep (associated with a bit too much alcohol). I think itās a bit more sensitive to that, so athletica flags up concerns quite quickly.
At the end of the day (or night, actually!), I think one needs to interpret HRV data in the context of how you actually feel - fatigue, heavy legs etc.
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